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Tuesday, 15 March 2011

Format C:\ Money, Numbers, Amounts


Punctuating dates and numbers is something we need to do in our translations nearly all the time. Even if it’s just a date at the top of a letter, it still needs to be done in the manner of the TT to make the translation complete. I see lots of little mistakes and bits of forgetfulness in this dept. very often, and it’s easy to understand why; you’ve been working like crazy to get the pismo to the ambassador perfectly right, and with a great sigh of relief you think ‘Great, three pages of hardcore diplomatic waffle done!’ and boom, off it goes with that tiny, almost insignificant date at the top left dressed in kropki instead of solidii.

Or, in the effort to make sure that the phrasing in a particularly tricky, vaguely phrased umowa between two parties is translated in such a way that no one’s going to misinterpret it and start suing each other (and/or you), the punctuating marks in the grand sums of money being negotiated (that I could only dream of being a party to), go unchanged.

So, let’s do today’s blog entry in the understanding that the root causes of these issues lie in stress, pressure and not having had enough coffee (or tea) for śniadania. Regardez vous at this lot:
           
1) 1,000,000,00 was paid to the account already.     
1) 1,000,000.00 was paid to the account already.

2) (Journal of Laws of 2007, Nr. 64, Item 109)        
2) (Journal of Laws of 2007, No. 64, Item 109)

3) Over 40,000 $ was raised at the event.     
3) Over $ 40,000 was raised at the event.

4) The total cost is £50.00 for a return ticket.          
4) The total cost is £50 for a return ticket.

5) Nearly 54 thousand people died as a result.         
5)  Nearly 54,000 people died as a result.

6) Four thousand EUR, 50.    
6) Four thousand Euros and fifty Eurocents.

7) Ten thousand Euro should be paid…       
7) Ten thousand Euros should be paid…

8) Nearly 0,3% of all samples tested were…           
8) Nearly 0.3% of all samples tested were…

9) Over 4 368 Kg of rubbish was collected in 2003.
9) Over 4,368 Kg of rubbish was collected in 2003.

10) All hats and scarves now only PLN 10!
10) All hats and scarves now only 10 PLN!

11) 24.03.2011
11) 24/03/2011

What’s The Problem?
The decimal point in both British and American English is always a full stop, not a comma (1,8). This is probably the most common issue with numbers in EN translations, and also the most easily fixed. 

‘Number’ is always abbreviated as No. not Nr. (2). Currency symbols go before the amount (3); currency abbreviations go after the amount (10).

For monetary amounts written in numbers with no pence, cents, grosze etc, leave out the decimal point and zeroes (4). There are probably exceptions to this rule for seriously hardcore financial documents; I always let the ST determine how to move here. In an Excel sheet with 100+ different monetary amounts listed, if they already have .00 etc, then I leave it. Certainly in plain body text you could leave them off.

Be consistent, try to avoid mixing words with figures (5). If you say '20 dogs' in one place, don't say 'twenty dogs' in the next. For small amounts (ok. less than a hundred), it's better to use words than figures. 
           
When spelling out sums for clarity, use words for the pennies/grosze too (6). Note that the standard invoicing convention of putting, for example, ‘Four Hundred and Fifty Three Pounds and 65/100’ is fine too.
           
Euros when used as a word to describe the EU’s currency, are a countable noun (7).       
           
Regarding numeric separators – don’t leave the first one out (9). In Polish we say 4 000; in English they say 4,000. Finally a wee reminder about dates (11) – our new friend, Anglik Kropka, gets replaced by lanky Mr. Solidus. See also here.

As anyone who’s worked on Excel sheets, or other spreadsheets knows, it’s sometimes the case that there are formulas and macros and security measures and all kinds of lurking voodoo going on, which make it impossible or impractical to edit the figures. In these cases, unless you have the time and know-how, head to the kitchen and make yourself another kawa... ;)

Monday, 28 February 2011

Format C:\ Dates


Dates are unavoidable, unless you’re not showering and changing your pants regularly, or you already have a Mister or Mrs. Translator in your life. Wait a second, wrong blog.

Dates are unavoidable, mostly because knowing the date is very handy and lots of people insist on putting them in their documents. As with most languagey things, different countries write dates in different ways, so in this, the first of our formatting and punctuation items, we’re going to look and see how they’re done in the English-speaking world.

Commonly, many translators overlook small details like formatting of numbers and dates, and so I see a lot of this kind of thing in PL>EN translations:

1a     Warsaw, 26.09.2005r.         
2a     London, 26 September 2005
3a     The next meeting will be held on 26 September, at 5pm.
4a      2011/02/28
5a     (Journal of Laws of 2007r. No. 223, item 1655)

Ideally, I should be seeing this:

1b     Warsaw, 26/09/2005
2b     London, 26th September 2005
3b     The next meeting will be held on the 26th of September, at 5pm.
4b     28/02/2011
5b     (Journal of Laws of 2007 No. 223, item 1655)

As with many such formatting issues, it’s fairly simple to fix them, or not do them in the first place, and perhaps this is the problem. When one’s brain is full of complex linguistic issues and solutions, something small and biedny like the difference between a full stop and a solidus      is easy to overlook. Try to remember anyway, because as I will often say here, there will be many times (if not most of the time) when you’ll only have your own checks standing between you and FAIL if a particularly edgy client or uptight agency coordinator spots an error and doesn’t like it. Here are the fixes then:

Remember to change the full stops in dates to solidii (1). Add a 'th' or 'st' as appropriate when the date is given at top of a letter or document (2). This improves the reading flow, is stylistically correct, and just sounds right. I say that because those tiny contractions are actually spoken sounds too, and if we’re writing in full, we must reproduce all the sounds of the spoken version (unless the speaker was choking on a biscuit at the time).

In full sentences, where a date is specified, we must write the date out as fully as possible, using ‘the’, ‘of’ and the speaker’s th or st after the number. (3) If you’re writing for American readers, you can leave it all out though as our trans-Atlantic friends are not as fussy as the Brits about such niceties.

Again, this is okay for American English, but British English puts the date in ascending order – day, month, year (4). This is a small point which is actually part of a much larger and more interesting topic, that of when and where to use US or UK English. We’ll come to that in a later article, but for now my basic advice is to use the UK date order if you’re writing for Australians, Brits or Europeans. Not sure about Canadians, they may or may not like it UK-style too. If anyone knows for sure, feel free to comment below or drop me an email.

Finally, a very specific thing – it’s all too easy to overlook the occasional r. on your years, esp. In large bodies of text or in a (Dz.U. blah blah blah) (5). Keep your head windows peeled for lurking roks!

If you can accommodate any of this advice in your translating routine, it will soon become second nature and will be one less thing for moaning, un-datable people to cry about, and one more thing guaranteeing you a few more pennies for your work. And that’s no bad thing is it?